Mark wrote on Oct 7, 2010 7:34 AM:

" To say "everyone knows" without answering the question is to say "nobody knows, but they all think they do."

Pettit was investigated -- thoroughly -- and cleared by that same investigator of wrongdoings. To imply otherwise without providing those charges or substantiation is to claim that "some random anonymous Internet person" knows more than the investigator who CLEARED PETTIT OF ALL WRONGDOINGS.

The school board members who met in violation of Arizona's open meetings laws should be gone. The school board members who refused FOIA requests for information they are legally required to provide should be gone. The school board members who removed a functioning superintendent because he dared question a school not meeting statutory requirements should be gone. Fortunately all those are the same three people.

If you don't "know", that's ok, ask. We see that in this thread. But similarly, if you don't "know", don't say "everybody knows" and then murmur vague implications. Say it, or don't say it. If the EXCUSE is "it's in litigation so no comment" then say that.

It's unfortunate that the friends of the school board violators spend their time astroturfing. The truth will come out... or the school board will pay to keep it from coming out. Federal lawsuits take years to wend their way through the system... but the truth will come out. Will you then come out and apologize for your "implications"?

Mark

Phoenix AZ "




to unbelievable wrote on Sep 7, 2010 12:33 AM:

" have you ever attended or viewed school board meetings? if you did, apparently you were not paying attention because anyone who was knows exactly what problems pettit caused dusd. those who attended meetings or viewed them know what charges were investigated...yes, even the 2 board members who pleaded ignorance constantly. issues with pettit were discussed in executive session then once the meeting was back in open session, these 2 members sat there and swore they still had no idea what the problems were with pettit. 'employee and parent' is definitely correct; to all of you who think you know everything, anytime anything is in litigation, the only correct thing to say is 'no comment.' one more thing, mario ramos was the one who initially suggested ray borane come on board as superintendent and as 'to many of you' wrote, susan kramer hired the investigator.
considering all the critics out there, i am surprised most of the residents in douglas are not running for board. you are all so quick to judge and criticize but not willing to actually get involved. you people will never be happy no matter what! too bad because life is too short to continue to dwell on your unhappiness! "




unbelievable wrote on Aug 26, 2010 3:22 PM:

" To all the Hoyack, Rivera, and Lopez supporters: I don't see how you can defend or support elected officials who refuse to comment on this whole mess. If you enjoy being kept in the dark over decisions that will affect us for years then you are much more trusting of public officials then most. Even if I disagreed with them I could have respected them if they would at least explained their actions instead of going and hiding behind Borane and attorney cliend privilege. What they did is disgraceful by not commenting to their voters over the course of this whole mess. "




DHS student wrote on Aug 25, 2010 2:45 PM:

" as a student at DHS i have meet Mr. Bickle had lunch wih him in the lions club lunchin at SAMC and he has NO people skills.His communication is very low keyed and we studets nee someone who is going to encouage and help the DUSD school district, we don't need a repeat of the last few years there was a qustion as to how many games has hoyack attened well how many will Bickle attend ? I do feel Mr. Ortega would be a great one and Frank Moina . I hope the citizens look at the canadates good and look into there backgrounds you may just be surprised. "




Parent and DUSD Employee wrote on Aug 22, 2010 3:10 PM:

" All board members were contacted numerous times by many in the community (parents, employees, and residents alike) during the two years Earl Pettit was here causing so many problems. That is what happens when you are a board member - you listen to the publics' concerns. However, Mrs. Kramer and Mr. Ramos always denied they were contacted about anything regarding this. Of course that was because Earl told them what to say and how to vote.

I feel that Mrs. Lopez, Mr. Hoyack and Mr. Rivera always took all facts into consideration when making decisions. Many of us talked during call to the public about various situations going on. Being a board member is not an easy job and I give much credit and many thanks to these members for all their time and effort in performing their job. Their lives have become an open book - they are in the public eye being scrutinized by so many who have nothing better to do. You have my vote Mrs. Lopez and Mr. Hoyack. "




Employee and Parent wrote on Aug 22, 2010 2:49 PM:

" Many months ago Mr. Borane was willing to step in to oversee dusd. Thank you. However, that did not sit well with many so all of a sudden several people began to view and attend board meetings. People who had never done so, even during the last two years which were very difficult because of Earl. These people demanded to know exactly what was going on behind closed doors (which is actually called executive sessions). These people wanted at least one board member recalled. It was a well known fact this group was out to cause even more problems than the district had just seen and was still dealing with. I was asked to become involved but refused because I did not agree with what they were plotting. These people wanted to help out the board; guide them as they said. It is a well known fact in Douglas that these people have a problem with Mr. Borane. If they are so interested in being on the board, they should have ran for office themselves. However, none of them did. Instead, they convinced two men (related to these people) to run. Why the sudden interest? This group does not have good intentions. Part of this group is attempting to run the city.

I urge you all to attend the meetings and to pay attention. To Hopeful too: many things are said by a couple of board members that should not be said in open session. All one has to do is follow the agenda & based on what these members say, it is quite easy to figure out what they are talking about must have been said in executive session. And yet there are accusations of violations directed at Mr. Hoyack, Mrs. Lopez, and Mr. Rivera. Listen carefully; they are not the ones saying things they should not be.

One more thing: you all should know that when there is something going on involving the law, the only correct thing to say is 'no comment.' "




to many of you wrote on Aug 22, 2010 2:23 PM:

" You obviously are not familiar with how any entity (including dusd) runs. There are various monies for use in various ways. When Pettit caused all the problems that he did (and he did; I work for the district so I know), monies were used to investigate the situation. Reminder: Ms. Kramer hired the investigator; there were other investigators who would provide their services for less. There were wrongdoings on Pettit's part and you all know that. I have never understood the allegiance so many of you have for someone who came into Douglas with a vengeance to cause nothing but problems! The only thing Pettit cared about was himself, not students, parents, nor staff. Remember, the superintendent position reports to the board, not the other way around. If an investigation had not taken place, so many of you would complain; it took place but many of you still complain.
Considering how many Douglas residents feel they can do a better job than Mrs. Lopez and Mr. Hoyack, I am surprised there are not hundreds of candidates running for board positions along with the 2 year position. You are all willing to criticize but not willing to throw your name in the ring. "




To D wrote on Aug 22, 2010 2:12 PM:

" What is your obsession with Mr. Hoyack? Do you not have anything better to do than insult the man? Unless you are Brian Bickel or Ed Gomez, if you feel you can do a better job, why aren't you running for board? Sounds like you do not get out much because Mr. Hoyack is very involved in many activities in the community, including attending various sports events.
As for your remarks regarding Mr. Hoyack's position as a coach, many former coaches moved on to other duties, including Dr. Hall, former president Dr. Nicodemus, and Mr. Hall. If you have something to say, make sure you know what you are talking about! "




dusd employee wrote on Aug 21, 2010 9:09 AM:

" Mrs. Lopez and Mr. Hoyack have worked very hard for the district. They have the best interests in mind regarding our children and staff. There are some bad apples within the district but these board members have listened to facts as presented by all and have been professional and courteous during the most difficult of times (unlike other board members and dusd employees).
Mrs. Lopez and Mr. Hoyack have done a lot for the community and for the district. Those of you who think otherwise do so because you probably did not get a raise or a stipend or a job title that you wanted or because you do not know exactly how things work. Attend meetings - it is better than reading the newspaper - it does not always provide an accurate account of the meetings. Remember, board members are provided with information from the superintendent and other employees, parents, and teachers. They then have to determine what is right and what is wrong. Mr. Hoyack and Mrs. Lopez have done a great job considering all that has happened the last couple of years. Let's continue to support them as they supported what was in the best interest of dusd employees, students, parents, and members of the community. Thank you. "




parents wrote on Aug 20, 2010 6:03 PM:

" d, you sound like you are a very unstable person who has a personal issue with mr. hoyack. get a grip! mr. hoyack is a very visible, respected member of the community. many of us do not know how he manages to always be there for so many. if half of douglas would become involved in what this man helps out with, there would not be as many people out there like you who have nothing but an aura of negativity around you. mr. hoyack is an avid supporter of a lot of community events, athletic sports, and churches. if you have not seen him at any of these, it is more than likely because you were not there! "




dusd employee and parent wrote on Aug 20, 2010 6:00 PM:

" It is my personal opinion that Mr. Hoyack, & Mrs. Lopez made decisions based on facts. Mr. Rivera did also.
Mrs. Kramer & Mr. Ramos made decisions based on what Mr. Pettit told them. Mr. Ramos claimed to not have any connections to Mr. Pettit outside of the board room but a packed gymnasium at the local community college saw them there together at a game last season. Many also saw them at a local eating establishment. Many saw Mrs. Kramer & Mr. Pettit & their families at a local easter egg hunt. Given that, you Kramer and Ramos fans still believe those two never socialized with Mr. Pettit. They were his puppets!
I firmly believe (and I am not the only one) that Mrs. Lopez, Mr. Rivera, and Mr. Hoyack made good decisions and that Mrs. Lopez and Mr. Hoyack will continue to do so. For that, I thank them. "




what is your problem wrote on Aug 20, 2010 5:30 PM:

" To D, what the heck is your problem with Chuck Hoyack? Your comments are so disrespectful. Maybe you did not make the CC baseball team when Mr. Hoyack AND Mr. Hall were coaches. Holding a grudge, aren't you? By the way, you should take an English class along with a Spelling class. Throw in a Grammar class while you are at it. You know, computers provide all that! "




community member wrote on Aug 20, 2010 5:08 PM:

" I am very tired of all the complaints about Mrs. Lopez and Mr. Hoyack. This makes me think that these complaints are coming from the people who have been plotting against these two board members for a very long time now. You know who you are. One of you is stirring up the pot based on your name...big deal! You may think you have a lot of pull in Douglas but you are just using your name. We are all taxpayers so we all have a right to be interested in dusd but a lot of people know that is not the reason you now attend meetings. you have turned your back on people who really valued your friendship - you can no longer be trusted.
Another individual has nothing better to do with his time so he has harrassed school boards for many, many years. 3 others of you had a problem with Mr. Borane so, unable to go after him, have gone after Mr. Hoyack. You do not have time to run for school board because you are running the city! Why don't you people spend your time and energy on something worthwhile. You really do not care about the students nor staff of dusd. What was Earl Pettit to you? That person did so much damage to this community. You claim to be smart yet you fell for everything he said and did.
There are still 2 board members who do not realize they were his puppets. Mr. Ramos still makes no sense when he speaks at board meetings. He cannot even read the motions verbatim! Mrs. Kramer remains very mean and unprofessional. I guess that does not matter to you - they are the embarrassment! Another sad point to this mess that Pettit created is that there are still dusd employees who have connections to him so be careful what you say - it all gets back to him. I would not doubt it if he is still telling Mr. Ramos & Mrs. Kramer what to do. For 2 years you and Mrs. Kramer denied receiving complaints about Pettit....you are the ones lying! "




community member wrote on Aug 20, 2010 4:46 PM:

" to all of you who continue to bash mr. hoyack, mrs. lopez, and mr. rivera: SHAME ON YOU! when are you people going to give it a rest? d: you sound like you have a personal problem with mr. hoyack....as i recall, mr. hoyack and mr. hall were baseball coaches at cochise...TOGETHER; many are beginning to think that possibly you did not make the team. is that why you continue to speak negatively about mr. hoyack? i can come up with quite a lengthy list of potential apaches who did not make the team during mr. hoyack's and mr. hall's period of coaching. both of these men have worked very hard for cochise college. you may not be aware that in order for these men to be responsible for what they have been for many years now, there was no time for baseball. priorities had to be set. maybe someday when you grow up, you will find that you have more important things to do than continue to speak negatively about mr. hoyack. you seem to be obsessed about him - that's all you ever write about! if in fact you did play baseball, guess you must not have made it in the big leagues! "




D wrote on Aug 19, 2010 11:23 AM:

" How many DHS fotball games do you think Hoyack will show up to this year? I say ZERO, how many DHS basketball games do you think Chucky will show up to this year? NONE. ....The list goes on and on....NO SUPPORT FROM OUR FAITHFUL LEADER! Its time Chuck gets lost for real!!! "




Farley wrote on Aug 18, 2010 6:22 AM:

" Chuck and Patti need to go, it is time for change. Let someone else get in there who can do the job for the students in Douglas. Chuck needs to hang with Cochise College and carry on its nepotistic practices. "




d wrote on Aug 17, 2010 1:00 PM:

" C-Ya Chuck, maybe you should resign like you did as the baseball coach at Cochise College. Save your family the embarassment. "




agree wrote on Aug 16, 2010 4:24 PM:

" Bickle probably is not the best choice but Hoyack definitely needs to be thrown out. "




WHAT A JOKE wrote on Aug 14, 2010 4:18 PM:

" At least 1/2 wit Rivera resigned, hopefully 1/4 wit Hoyak and Lopez will follow "




T wrote on Aug 14, 2010 12:50 PM:

" Bickel is not a good choice. His SAMC policies create potentially dangerous situations for staff and patients, have increased liabilities and risks of lawsuits. He has run excellent personnel away and has decreased the level of services available to our community. Is this what we would want for our school district? Ortega would for sure have possible conflicts of interest. Gomez might be o.k., but all three of those men are lacking in communication skills and have always treated others in a harsh condecending manner. They seem to believe that others are insignificant. We just got rid of Pettit who also acted that way. We don't need a repeat of that arrogance. "




Hopeful too wrote on Aug 13, 2010 7:07 PM:

" I agree with Hopeful. Now is the Time, I agree with what you said also. Let's think now who actually did commit open meeting laws, violation of mandated state programs for students that were second language English speakers, and who have not complied with requests. They are still in their positions. "




Hopeful wrote on Aug 13, 2010 3:29 PM:

" I hope Hoyack and Lopez lose. As for the third seat I hope Molina wins. Ortega may be a fine man but his plate is full at the county and we don't need any more conflict of interest problems. District money comes largely from county property taxes. I can already imagine all the potential problems. Lets start fresh with three new members. I wish Hoyack and Lopez would just step down and do what is right. They already have cost us a lot of money and embarrassment. "




hahaha wrote on Aug 13, 2010 7:19 AM:

" You think Hoyack has costed the district money.which we all know he did. If BRIAN BICKLE is elected he will cost the school district twice as much as Hoyack has.Brian Bickle will keep you in the dark as he has the Southeast Arizona Medical Center Board members. His statements in the meetings are, " THE BOARD DOESN'T NEED TO KNOW."and as we see the hospital going under he's the only one to thank. THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR BRIAN BICKLE.VOTE NO "




Now is the Time wrote on Aug 12, 2010 10:41 AM:

" Now is the Time! HOYACK MUST GO!
Remember the money he has cost the district on a witch hunt that never found any wrongdoing. "

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